# Cosmos Café: Open Conversation \[2/27\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cosmos Café\ **Created:** [February 27, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/t/cosmos-cafe-open-conversation-2-27/1767 "2018-02-27T14:56:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Douggins](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/infiniteconversations/user_avatar/www.infiniteconversations.com/douggins/32/1351_2.png) [@Douggins](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/u/Douggins)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/t/cosmos-cafe-open-conversation-2-27/1767/1 "2018-02-27T14:56:36Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/SUIpdKn408U/maxresdefault.jpg "Cosmos Café: Open Conversation") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUIpdKn408U) [http://ia600202.us.archive.org/4/items/ic-cosmos-cafe-012-o/IC-Cosmos-Cafe-012-Open-Conversation\_128kbps-stereo.mp3](http://ia600202.us.archive.org/4/items/ic-cosmos-cafe-012-o/IC-Cosmos-Cafe-012-Open-Conversation_128kbps-stereo.mp3) [[download](http://archive.org/download/ic-cosmos-cafe-012-o/IC-Cosmos-Cafe-012-Open-Conversation_128kbps-stereo.mp3)] * * * This week’s Cosmos Café Conversation (1PM MST - “I’ll have the usual…time…”) is an open discussion. It will be a chance to step out from the boisterous world, whether observed online or on foot. A chance to take a different route, go down a dark alley, walk in past an unmarked door, grab a seat at a small round table, order a coffee or [cocktail](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/t/cosmos-cafe-stare-into-the-lights-my-pretties-a-talk-with-filmmaker-jordan-brown-2-20/1737/34) and simply speakeasy. Bring your game plan or an empty mind. Be ready to listen and talk over each other; take your time or hurry up; choice is yours, so don’t be late. * * * Cosmos Café is a weekly virtual dialogue series that focuses on deep questions of cosmology, consciousness, and culture. Our conversations are designed (or intended) to be open-ended, creative, and inclusive. These are performative experiments in cooperative intelligence, grounded in shared reading materials and suggested media, where the participants are both subjects and objects, obervers and observed, as we hone our minds to the edges of our maps and explore our intutions of possibilities beyond. * * * ZOOM link: [Launch Meeting - Zoom](https://zoom.us/j/711610894) * * * ## Ponderables (try beginning @ 55 minute mark or @12 minutes, 30 seconds in “The Ethics of Dialogue”) > [@The Ethics of Dialogue: Conversation as a Spiritual Practice](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/t/the-ethics-of-dialogue-conversation-as-a-spiritual-practice/317): > > **[Take your time: the seven pillars of a Slow Thought manifesto | Aeon Essays](https://aeon.co/essays/take-your-time-the-seven-pillars-of-a-slow-thought-manifesto?utm_source=Aeon%2BNewsletter&utm_campaign=350ef70e11-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_02_26&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_411a82e59d-350ef70e11-70353553)** > > We need a philosophy of Slow Thought to ease thinking into a more playful and porous dialogue about what it means to live ---
**Author:** ![achronon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/infiniteconversations/user_avatar/www.infiniteconversations.com/achronon/32/3458_2.png) [@achronon](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/u/achronon)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2018, 3:23pm UTC](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/t/cosmos-cafe-open-conversation-2-27/1767/2 "2018-02-27T15:23:31Z")
I’m going to assume (as risky as that is) that we’re meeting at the usual 1pm MST? ---
**Author:** ![patanswer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/infiniteconversations/user_avatar/www.infiniteconversations.com/patanswer/32/3897_2.png) [@patanswer](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/u/patanswer)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2018, 4:06pm UTC](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/t/cosmos-cafe-open-conversation-2-27/1767/3 "2018-02-27T16:06:46Z")
“Have fun, everyone,” TJ announced sadly, sipping coffee and carefully watching the clock so as not to step on the toes of capitalism by as much as fifteen seconds of unauthorized Slow Thinking… ---
**Author:** ![madrush](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/infiniteconversations/user_avatar/www.infiniteconversations.com/madrush/32/6452_2.png) [@madrush](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/u/madrush)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2018, 4:52pm UTC](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/t/cosmos-cafe-open-conversation-2-27/1767/4 "2018-02-27T16:52:26Z")
GET READY FOR: **_FAST MINDS IN SLOW TIME_** _Or, a Turtle Takes a Joyride on a Rocket Ship_ Post-caplitalism, here we come!!! Thanks for the Opening, @Douggins. I’ll be there with _belles_ on… ---
**Author:** ![johnnydavis54](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/infiniteconversations/user_avatar/www.infiniteconversations.com/johnnydavis54/32/114_2.png) [@johnnydavis54](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/u/johnnydavis54)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2018, 5:40pm UTC](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/t/cosmos-cafe-open-conversation-2-27/1767/5 "2018-02-27T17:40:50Z")
Sorry to miss today’s gathering. I have to deal with some emergencies. One of those days that you wish were already over. See you next week. ---
**Author:** ![madrush](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/infiniteconversations/user_avatar/www.infiniteconversations.com/madrush/32/6452_2.png) [@madrush](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/u/madrush)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2018, 5:45pm UTC](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/t/cosmos-cafe-open-conversation-2-27/1767/6 "2018-02-27T17:45:00Z")
Sorry to hear, Johnny. You’ll be missed. I hope things turn out better, as the day goes on. ---
**Author:** ![ZacharyFeder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/infiniteconversations/user_avatar/www.infiniteconversations.com/zacharyfeder/32/4883_2.png) [@ZacharyFeder](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/u/ZacharyFeder)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2018, 6:52pm UTC](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/t/cosmos-cafe-open-conversation-2-27/1767/7 "2018-02-27T18:52:13Z")
I may be able to be there but perhaps on mute (and with video off?) because I’ll be with the baby … ---
**Author:** ![madrush](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/infiniteconversations/user_avatar/www.infiniteconversations.com/madrush/32/6452_2.png) [@madrush](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/u/madrush)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2018, 7:20pm UTC](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/t/cosmos-cafe-open-conversation-2-27/1767/8 "2018-02-27T19:20:41Z")
PS. You’ll be missed too, TJ! ---
**Author:** ![Douggins](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/infiniteconversations/user_avatar/www.infiniteconversations.com/douggins/32/1351_2.png) [@Douggins](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/u/Douggins)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2018, 7:49pm UTC](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/t/cosmos-cafe-open-conversation-2-27/1767/9 "2018-02-27T19:49:03Z")
NOTE: below (and edited in above) is the updated Zoom link for this Cafe. ZOOM link: [Launch Meeting - Zoom](https://zoom.us/j/711610894) Sorry to hear that our slow time aficionado and respectful breaker of capitalistic rules cannot attend. And Zak…humans of all type are welcome. If any of us are allow in the door, I believe a child can sneak through the door cracks too. ---
**Author:** ![mindful\_ai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/infiniteconversations/user_avatar/www.infiniteconversations.com/mindful_ai/32/1789_2.png) [@mindful\_ai](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/u/mindful_ai)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 2:14am UTC](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/t/cosmos-cafe-open-conversation-2-27/1767/10 "2018-03-01T02:14:09Z")
The video and audio from this session are now posted above. 🖖 ---
**Author:** ![johnnydavis54](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/infiniteconversations/user_avatar/www.infiniteconversations.com/johnnydavis54/32/114_2.png) [@johnnydavis54](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/u/johnnydavis54)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 12:06pm UTC](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/t/cosmos-cafe-open-conversation-2-27/1767/11 "2018-03-01T12:06:48Z")
I posted this information on the cafe for next week. ---
**Author:** ![mindful\_ai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/infiniteconversations/user_avatar/www.infiniteconversations.com/mindful_ai/32/1789_2.png) [@mindful\_ai](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/u/mindful_ai)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 9:30pm UTC](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/t/cosmos-cafe-open-conversation-2-27/1767/12 "2018-03-01T21:30:26Z")
And I have updated this page: [Cosmos Café: Season 1 [November, 2017 – March, 2018]](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/t/cosmos-cafe-upcoming-events-planning-scheduling/1620) ---
**Author:** ![Douggins](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/infiniteconversations/user_avatar/www.infiniteconversations.com/douggins/32/1351_2.png) [@Douggins](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/u/Douggins)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 3:51pm UTC](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/t/cosmos-cafe-open-conversation-2-27/1767/13 "2018-03-02T15:51:05Z")
In reference to the brains poster hanging in @madrush’s thinkin’-pod, thought this zombie video might be a good before and after, Life before discovering the Cosmos-Co-op online and the moments after unearthing its greatness. What was life like before finding this gem of a site? The realization of the Co-op’s creative movement comes @ the 2min. 30 sec. mark. https://player.vimeo.com/video/224458051 > **[A Horde of Zombies Overtook Hamburg Ahead of the G20 Summit, for Art's Sake |...](https://news.artnet.com/art-world/g20-summit-hamburg-zombie-performers-1014083)** > > The forthcoming G20 Summit, which is scheduled to take place in Hamburg, Germany from July 7-8, has spurred the onset of cultural events. The performance was intended to criticize political apathy, and as a call to “more political participation for a society where change doesn’t come from above, but from each and every individual” ---
**Author:** ![achronon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/infiniteconversations/user_avatar/www.infiniteconversations.com/achronon/32/3458_2.png) [@achronon](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/u/achronon)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/t/cosmos-cafe-open-conversation-2-27/1767/14 "2018-03-02T16:23:40Z")
The zombies were more or less left alone. A sign of art apathy? I doubt it, but there are too many who shrug off the political because they don’t get the art. Shortly thereafter the full-riot-gear, state-sanctioned club-swingers jumped in the fray elsewhere in the festivities. No apathy there, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![madrush](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/infiniteconversations/user_avatar/www.infiniteconversations.com/madrush/32/6452_2.png) [@madrush](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/u/madrush)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 3:13am UTC](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/t/cosmos-cafe-open-conversation-2-27/1767/15 "2018-03-06T03:13:59Z")
Let the undead bury the undead! ---
**Author:** ![Gennifrey\_Edwards](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/infiniteconversations/user_avatar/www.infiniteconversations.com/gennifrey_edwards/32/8748_2.png) [@Gennifrey\_Edwards](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/u/Gennifrey_Edwards)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 6:31am UTC](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/t/cosmos-cafe-open-conversation-2-27/1767/16 "2018-03-06T06:31:42Z")
Extraordinary theatre! So creative! We never did anything like that in Quebec City when we had the summit here! ---
**Author:** ![patanswer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/infiniteconversations/user_avatar/www.infiniteconversations.com/patanswer/32/3897_2.png) [@patanswer](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/u/patanswer)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 5:20pm UTC](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/t/cosmos-cafe-open-conversation-2-27/1767/17 "2018-03-06T17:20:01Z")
Btw: Mr. Dewey apparently understood how FOUNDATIONAL history and geography are by putting them at the bottom (.900s)… Didn’t think I’d let that slide, did you? 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Douggins](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/infiniteconversations/user_avatar/www.infiniteconversations.com/douggins/32/1351_2.png) [@Douggins](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/u/Douggins)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 5:35pm UTC](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/t/cosmos-cafe-open-conversation-2-27/1767/18 "2018-03-06T17:35:10Z")
Depends on how you look at it, @patanswer! If its anything like the latest _Globes_ readings, you might see the 000’s -900’s as various concentric rings and, depending on your stance (whether theo-centric or geo-centric or just confused) history can either be foundational or thrown off into the ether, or perhaps burning in hell. ---
**Author:** ![achronon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/infiniteconversations/user_avatar/www.infiniteconversations.com/achronon/32/3458_2.png) [@achronon](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/u/achronon)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 5:41pm UTC](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/t/cosmos-cafe-open-conversation-2-27/1767/19 "2018-03-06T17:41:17Z")
True, in a sense … or at least in the sense that _anything_ can be true as far as Sloterdijk is concerned. On the other hand, our notion of numbers does tend to _order_ things (as opposed to confusing them), so I think TJ is onto something. He sees this, perhaps, as a pillar of knowledge, numbered from top to bottom, hence history and geography become, as he notes, _foundational_. If we envision this pillar being numbered from bottom to top, then it is no longer foundational in the strict sense of the word, but it is then end of the scheme; that is, once you’ve run the gamut of knowledge from philosophy to literature, so to speak, it might just be a good idea to see what others have done with that over the course of time, _before_ you go out into the world sowing your own seeds of destruction … or we learn from it and are therefore not condemned to repeat it. Just a thought. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![patanswer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/infiniteconversations/user_avatar/www.infiniteconversations.com/patanswer/32/3897_2.png) [@patanswer](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/u/patanswer)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 8:06pm UTC](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/t/cosmos-cafe-open-conversation-2-27/1767/20 "2018-03-06T20:06:33Z")
> [@Douggins](#): > > depending on your stance (whether theo-centric or geo-centric or just confused) history can either be foundational or thrown off into the ether, or perhaps burning in hell. I guess I’m still trying to figure out if history is in the ether or ‘weeping acid tears from six eyes’ myself. > [@achronon](#): > > once you’ve run the gamut of knowledge from philosophy to literature, so to speak, it might just be a good idea to see what others have done with that over the course of time, before you go out into the world sowing your own seeds of destruction … or we learn from it and are therefore not condemned to repeat it. I like it. Of course there are those who get their seeds of destruction _from_ seeing what others have done before but, well, that can’t be controlled… LOL [Next page](https://www.infiniteconversations.com/t/cosmos-cafe-open-conversation-2-27/1767.md?page=2)