This is the impromptu recording of the reading. The conversation continues after the reading of Why fish are not blind
…also, before the recording Johnny led Judith with a Clean Language process, exploring what it is like when we are writing (poetry) at our best. Judith reached deep into metaphorical/metaphysical territory, equating poetry to lightning…it is like “catching the numinous” with pen and paper…much more was said but, like lightning, my memories of the experience … once there … now passed.
And, dear Judith, I do appreciate you putting yourself and your creative pearls “out on the line” for others to nibble upon. You may or may not catch the attention that the poem(s) deserves, but that is beside the point. I am rereading your poem now and I think it speaks to the creative realms and our fleeting access to it. The first two lines keep circling around in a loop as I read them. This poem and its accompanying illustration remind me where to look and to keep looking.
As one who claims the perpetual role of non-artist and non-creative, I appreciate those who recognize what I cannot see for myself, in myself. Somewhere in the conversation you simply stated that if you have written a page you are a writer; if you have made a poem you are a poet. I will still continue to hold only my artistry and will still only share it with a select few, those that I know will understand and appreciate.
…I began reading David Lynch’s Catching the Big Fish: Meditation, Consciousness, and Creativity a few weeks ago, a collection of reflections by a man whose artistry I know nothing about. I like the metaphor of fish and the surface relation to your poem, of course!
From the Introduction
Ideas are like fish.
If you want to catch little fish, you can stay in the shallow water. But if you want to catch the big fish, you’ve got to go deeper.
Down deep, the fish are more powerful and more pure. They’re huge and abstract. And they’re very beautiful.
I look for a certain kind of fish that is important to me, one that can translate to cinema. But there are all kinds of fish swimming down there. There are fish for business, fish for sports. There are fish for everything.
Everything, anything that is a thing, comes up from the deepest level. Modern physics calls that level the Unified Field. The more your consciousness—your awareness—is expanded, the deeper you go toward this source, and the bigger the fish you can catch.
you say “…but whose every surface is eyes” I sense this about any tangible and fleeting element of the experienced world. Even moreso when attuned or tuned into the depths of the mind.