This is a very long podcast so you might want to skip to the last hour when the most interesting stuff is explored. Those who have been following Rebel Wisdom will find these arguments for a new society familiar. I only offer this podcast as a prelude to a much fuller enactment . Underground movements have been experimenting for decades with relational-recreational dimensions of what Daniel is describing as Group B, a non-rivalrous, coherent social space. Many of us here at Cosmos would embrace this. As we are gazing into the abyss together we may have to come up with some differences that will make a difference or we can continue to re-arrange the deck chairs on the Titanic. It’s not about getting bigger but about getting better.