Cosmos Café [8/13] - Quantum Entanglement, Quantum Coherence and Quantum Consciousness

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Third post in the thread, Maia @Ariadne.

I agree with Marco @MarcoMasi that his paper kinda builds on existing understanding of quantum things, and I hope to not make such a presupposition. The experiments that lead to the demonstration of quantum entanglement are perfectly understandable as a description, anyone can follow the discussion at that level. Even the conclusions can be presented without any more than a lay person’s knowledge of quantum physics. The problem arises when trying to make sense of the results of these experiments. At that point, we will have to draw on some theoretical considerations, in order to understand why certain things are being discussed. But again, familiarity with, say, the Schrodinger’s Cat thought experiment will help, even without any deep knowledge of physics.

We will do the best we can. It will be somewhere between free-wheeling and some kind of question-and-answer, with multiple viewpoints. Just the way it always is :slight_smile: !

Oh, here is a figure I pulled out of Zurek’s 2003 paper on decoherence. A kind of map…

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Hi everyone, I can only be present for the first hour today. If nobody minds, I will just make sure all is going well (enough) technologically and listen quietly for as long as I can.

On the connection between music and the quantum social mind, some may enjoy this related fiction:

The letter Q is having its moment in our culture. What does it mean?

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Temporary link to media files from today’s event: https://cloud.cosmos.coop/s/xy6Z32KKc8L7a2H

It will take a few minutes for things to show up; they are uploading right now.

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Here’s the text chat from the call, to complement the video :

00:11:44 Blake Poland: turned off my video feed briefly because internet signal is not good…

00:13:01 Blake Poland: yep

00:37:24 Blake Poland: Fascinating…

00:37:41 Blake Poland: Would folks be willing to post links here to the things they’re referring to?

01:00:48 Heather Fester: I have to move on to my next meeting at 1:00. Sorry to miss out on the rest–I’ll listen to the recording! Thanks for sharing all of this with us. I am learning!

01:26:51 Blake Poland: sorry I missed the latter part of what you said Michael. Annoyingly my internet chose that moment to konk out…

01:50:52 Blake Poland: That’s very interesting Geoffrey… A lot to digest there…

01:54:33 Blake Poland: Yes. That’s where quantum science ultimately leads us.

01:55:40 Blake Poland: Joe Dispenza talks about how the quantum field actually enables us to change the future by using a combination of intention and emotion to align in resonance with that particular future among the full diversity of possible futures waiting to be articulated

01:56:12 Michael: YES YES!

01:56:42 Blake Poland: We will realize that we are not victims but co-creators

01:57:40 Blake Poland: But transfer of information is classical view

01:58:02 achronon: @Blake: can you post in the forum a ref/link to Dispenza?

01:59:33 Blake Poland: https://www.amazon.ca/Becoming-Supernatural-Common-People-Uncommon/dp/1401953093/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1565726155&sr=8-2

02:01:26 Blake Poland: What about out of body experiences and life-after-life experiences (e.g. Anita Moorjani; others)

02:03:05 Blake Poland: But so-called butterfly effect is that it happens instantaneously, not a transfer thru space and time

02:04:40 Blake Poland: I would love for us to explore the more spiritual and mystical implications of quantum science…. Maybe for another session??

02:05:37 achronon: Propose a CCafé session, and I’m sure you’ll find folks who would be willing to show up.

02:06:02 Blake Poland: I love that: “Random is just a word for our ignorance”

02:07:38 Blake Poland: I need to sign off soon. Thank-you for including me in this interesting discussion. And Geoffrey lovely to reconnect with you in this context - a whole side of you I was not aware of when we worked together. I love it!

02:08:06 Geoffrey Edwards: Let’s stay in touch, Blake!

02:08:14 Blake Poland: Yes! :slight_smile:

02:09:39 Blake Poland: Marco this is so interesting. Relates to the saying “An idea whose time as come”. And also what Otto Scharmer (with Theory U) and others talk about doing social change differently by learning how to “align with the future that wants to be born”

02:10:28 Blake Poland: It’s also what David Bohm (who I was very fortunate to study with as a teenager) referred to as the Noosphere

02:10:33 Blake Poland: ??

02:11:03 Blake Poland: Well said John

02:11:31 Blake Poland: Lynn McTaggert covers a lot of the experimentation around parapsychology from a quantum perspective

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Thanks to wonderful participation by a broad range of people (@madrush, @MarcoMasi, @hfester, @johnnydavis54, @Blake_Poland, @Michael_Stumpf, @achronon, as well as myself), we covered almost all of the points on my list and, I think, lived up to the promise we hoped to achieve on this very challenging project. At least we set out the ground work.

There was also a proposal to continue the discussion with a particular focus on the more spiritual issues, which seems like a valuable initiative (it reminds me of the interviews with Debashish Banerji that we listened to during our discussions of Aurobindo… I will try to find the link).

Also, if anyone wants to chat about particular details where issues remain fuzzy, please let me know and we can set up some time to talk about it…

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By the way, I was a bit too quick in my reply to @johnnydavis54 about your opening question, and @MarcoMasi’s reply was much better I thought. Relistening to the episode I got a better sense of what you were trying to get at, Johnny, and I see now that you weren’t questioning wave-particle duality but rather how acceptance of this historically changed over time. But I think (hope) my reactions got better over the course of the rest of the session :slight_smile:

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Thanks Geoffrey and all of you for welcoming me into your interesting circle. Too bad my internet connection woes hobbled my participation, particularly at the end when we were getting into the stuff that intrigues me the most. :frowning:

If you do go ahead with a sequel on the spiritual implications, please let me know. I’d love to join you for that.

warmly,
blake

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Ah, yes, the internet: the medium you hate to love. Still, I can assure you, we’re going to do this thing with the help (or in spite) of the internet. (It’s unconscionable that in real-time there is two-mode Audio-visual/Chat, but when recorded, one mode and the Chat get sent to the cutting-room floor. So much for virtual and actual reality. So, an extra tip-o’-the-chapeau to @Gennifrey_Edwards for posting the Chat here … a quantum leap forward or, more importantly, simply above-and-beyond. )

But, should it take a while to set up a follow-on, spiritual discussion, remember that most of yesterday’s participants are “here” every Tuesday at that time. And, should you be free and should the topic intrigue you, don’t hesitate to join us.

We spend a lot of time with stuff that intrigues us.

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Longtime lurker here, making my first post! I produce a radio program here in LA on dublab.com and did an episode on Quantum Entanglement you guys might enjoy: dublab

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Speaking of Quantum Entanglement…wait…are you aka Sun Araw?! Such a small world! While browsing around some “similar artist” algorithms a few years back I was taken by your part-Tagalog/Filipino stage name. araw = sun or day … Sun Sun or Sun Day. Always enjoy a lighthearted pun. I listened to On Patrol for months on end…time to pull out some of the ol’ mp3s. Nice to have you resurface the vibes on this forum.

We have a music thread that went from a Café Proposal and morphed into a 'toss in your favorite tune of the moment" … feel free to post your stuff here:

Magandang araw, kaibigan :sunglasses:

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Hey Sir

I am indeed! Glad the AI brought us together, hehe. I’ll go check the music thread!

you can find more of these programs here: SSV RADION ARCHIVE

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Hey, @ssvfieldstudies, I’m really enjoying your latest mix:

dublab.

That’s a riveting reading of Blake, and the sound/music layer enhances the vocals. The whole performance is quite intense, in a good way.

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Thanks much MARCO!

its super intense! I’m so thankful for whoever these heads were…all I know is the recording is from australia in the 60’s…but the level of commitment and training is clear!

i finally finished PART 2, you can download/stream both files here:

http://sunaraw.com/FOURZOAS.html

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You’re welcome, Cameron—and thank YOU for making sound art and bringing these forgotten voices back to life. I will download the full mix and give it a listen. I’ve been enjoying listening to “the sounds of now” on Dublab as well. I really like the musical/intellectual curation and aesthetic of the site.

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