Towards a Cosmos-wide AI policy position

Many people know that I am not a big fan of AI, or perhaps of the discourse around AI. I worked for many years as a scientist on AI research including on areas that eventually were included in the Large Language Models (LLMs) that now drive much of modern developments. I understand what many people, hypnotized by the hype around ChatGPT and other similar tools, seem to miss, that these are not, strictly speaking, “reasoning tools”, they do not “think” in any way commensurate with what humans do. They do a good job of mimicking our thinking processes because they handle language well. But their ability to generate “new thoughts” is actually very limited; it is basically a kind of copy of things humans have thought, with perhaps the addition of the ability to combine disparate thoughts, although that also can be questioned. All AI tools perform pattern recognition, LLMs do so on text but other AI tools work off visual or auditory patterns, or indeed, any kind of pattern to be found within data. Humans, of course, do pattern recognition, but our reasoning and creative abilities extend far beyond such things. Indeed, no AI currently in operation does anything like embodied experience. As was the case with earlier developments in AI such as the development of Grand Master level chess players, AI has taught us to rethink what humans do, what it means to be humans.

OK. That’s my reality check. That said, LLMs do certain things well. Because they do pattern recognition on large quantities of data about humans, they are useful for certain kinds of analysis and research. The company I work with uses AI extensively to write grant proposals. What used to take weeks can now be done in a few hours. Their limitations is that that have no real ability to judge “truth”, and so can mislead in remarkable ways if one is not attentive and does not double check the source materials used. They are likewise poor “counsellors” as a result of this inability to judge. And don’t get me onto the issue of writing. LLMs are designed, in a sense, to write. For research reports and that kind of thing they can be highly useful. For fiction, not so much. Fiction, as it turns out, requires the ability to judge truth, as well as embodied experience, two areas where LLMs fail utterly. Novelty is also a problem for LLMs; they can put together disparate units of information to give an appearance of novelty, but are unable to filter these to select ones that are useful to humans. We have to do that work for them.

What I am trying to say is that AI tools can be useful as tools, under human oversight. We have seen some of the problems with AI writing emerge as things have been tried of late. I am largely opposed to the use of AI in the writing of fiction or poetry, partly because I am really only interested in reading material that is grounded in embodied life experience. I have no interest in reading any simulation of that work. And among our Metapsychosis editors we have decided not to accept texts that were developed even in part by AI algorithms, for good reason. A sizeable percentage of recent submissions have the AI “look and feel”, and the quality is lower overall as a result. But we need to work out a general policy for the co-op that both recognizes their utility and acknowledges their limitations. AI is here to stay. The landscape is still changing, but we don’t have to wait to develop our own policies.

Some of the questions I have are: To what extent should we require declarations of AI use in material posted to Infinite Conversations, Metapsychosis and even Untimely Books? And how should this be policed, if at all? What kinds of limits should be imposed? How much space should we give to discussions about AI use? Should there be any limits, in any of our spaces? Personally, I tire quickly of the endless debates around AI, but I do not feel strongly enough about this to suggest any kind of censorship. Are we open to any kind of AI/human interaction in creative content? What about AI-driven research on a topic? I am sure there could be other questions brought to bear. We need a lively discussion on this area to develop our policies as a community.

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agreed!

I’m contemplating how Cosmos might advise authors on beneficial (and to us “acceptable”) uses of AI—and ways we advise against it for some applications. I like your distinction between research asset versus fiction-writing deficit.

As for rules and norms: I think authors should be required to disclose their use of AI, detailing how and what parts they used.

I think as an aesthetic, Cosmos is a bit futuristic, but it’s also humanist. We might adopt an ethic (if not a policy) of centering human work and innovation. But that doesn’t forbid the use of technology—it just puts it in check in the context of building a world that is humane, that loves/trusts/empowers human beings, and better yet all beings. I don’t believe AI is a being, I believe it is a mimic (perhaps a “toxic mimic” to borrow language from biology); though it may be a new species of intelligence, it is not embodied and so cannot be trusted to discern truths through experiences that embodied beings can. This distinction will become more and more important as we navigate what information, and what sources, can be trusted in an environment drenched in highly manipulable mimicks.

Some thoughts!

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I I believe this topic is deeply important to discuss across various levels of human experience—from the perspective of the humanities and science to its impact on children, new civilizations, and technology.

As you mentioned, tools like this are remarkable; they save an immense amount of time for writers, researchers, and scientists. They help us communicate more effectively by generating a common language based on a logical structure that not not everyone naturally possesses. This is vital.

Sometimes, I feel this is a ‘New Babel’ because you can translate everything so accurately and correct so many errors. While it may be true that AI lacks feelings and emotions, it can often help us organize and ‘accommodate’ the way we communicate them.

Regarding the nature of thought, I wonder if humans truly generate original ideas, or if we are actually accessing a ‘Divine’ source or a ‘supermind’ that we simply tap into.

In my case i love Gemini, I use it to communicate with you better and better. :slightly_smiling_face:

Thank you for the topic and sharing your experience.

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@tech @synergy @marketing @media @publishing

and @Gennifrey_Edwards ~ I wrote the post below a few weeks ago, around the time (but before I saw) your post above. We were thinking along similar lines, though your evaluation of the legitimate uses and potential misuse of AI provides deeper context. Here is what I wrote:

I am proposing an initial exploratory meeting to discuss how we want to mindfully engage with AI tools in Cosmos, beginning specifically in the areas of:

  • media management
  • marketing assistance (e.g., summarizing, planning)
  • editorial assistance (e.g., proofreading, project management)
  • research and data analysis
  • business and administrative processes
  • documentation and reference

And more areas probably to come (e.g., bookkeeping, legal work, platform development, member support…)

I want to be honest and clear from the outset: 1) that some of us are already using AI tools in the areas listed above and more—so it is worth making this explicit; and 2) that I am absolutely not talking about (and do not want to discuss, in this context) the use of AI in creative work.

I have been using Claude for the last year+, essentially as a very versatile executive assistant, and I’ve learned enough to see the potential for this to take a lot of the busy work off of our collective plates, and probably save the organization a lot of time and money—IF we set it up right and use it wisely. (I’ve already had some personal success through trial and error.)

Of course, we can’t get around the politics, the philosophical questions, or the Pandora’s box of existential consequences that comes with the advent of AI. If you search the forum, you’ll find many conversations where we explore this territory from various angles—and there is much more to discuss (with new voices) on those levels.

However, here I want to focus on the practical questions. I also want to focus on our vision for the future. I would like to develop a COSMOS AI that is private to our community, trained on our own logics and symbolic landscapes, and acts more like a cooperative intelligence than an ‘artificial’ one. With a little funding, this could practically become a reality—so let’s start discussing it now.

@community-circle ~ could we dedicate a future monthly meet-up or visioning session to this topic? This could also be a topic for a future Tech Circle meet-up, or a part of a @synergy meeting (open to all members)—since it cuts across all aspects of the co-op.

I also recommend watching this video to get an idea of how to practically use a tool such as (though not necessarily, or not necessarily limited to) Claude:

If you haven’t already, I think you’ll quickly get ideas for how we can use this to fill gaps and speed things up (or “ease the pain”) in some of our operations. I’m interested in putting our minds together on this.

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“LLM rewriting produces a consistent pattern of stylistic normalization. Function words, contractions, and first-person pronouns decrease, while vocabulary diversity, word length, and punctuation elaboration increase.” -Tom van Nuenan

Device addiction is pandemic, we are drowning in AI slop and psychotic breaks with reality. This is a much needed conversation and I applaud Gennifrey’s call to discuss this. I have seen online communities sabotaged by AI run amok. Much repair work is being done to protect the Literary Mind and some of us are are working in the background to review policies and practices in various ways. I am optimistic but not hopeful. AI can mimic humans but it cannot Self-model. The antidote to bad AI writing is to reread the masterworks of the literary mind and to learn how to be in relationship to the life force purpose within each human. This requires concentration and high level meta-skills which are atrophying quickly in many smart people.

And when you rewrite with AI… what happens right before you rewrite with AI?

I have been addicted to psychoactive drugs and went through terrifying withdrawal so I approach this topic with great care and concern as many people with great talent are being duped on a grand scale. Good luck, good people, and pardon my intrusion. I am praying for our recovery.

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The above article might not seem so relevent to a deep discussion of AI use by the Coop, but if you read it, all that will come clear.

Personally, I have a thousand things to say on this topic, but I don’t want to save time by replying easily and quickly. (!)

For awhile, some scientists have believed that human “efficiency” (time saving, energy saving) is something that can be measured and compared to natural landscapes, ecosystems and beings. This was tried with plants miraculous ability to make food/flesh from light, CO2, water and a few common minerals. Plants were deemed very inefficient because thelr production ratios were only a few percentage points compared to human rates using machines.

What they forget: plants create many dozens of beneficial side-effects useful to the planet and its beings, rather than creating and leaving behind toxic waste products. I think we need to re-define “efficiency” to literally account for such toxic waste piles and poisons-- every sort of harm–as a subtraction from “human artificial efficiency” . AND more importantly, the good of the entire living Ecosphere. Which we constantly forget includes us humans

What happens if we start there, in thinking about AI…?

Never underestimate what one little Co-op can do…

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I like this discussion by a few of you here and also Marco’s email on his use of Claude AI .and suggestion for a Cosmos AI .. !
It does feel important to learn how to adapt AI tools for some of our routine work and even to help with outlines , summaries , discussion points, etc .

Marco :

Thankx for introducing us to your ideas and AI collaborations . I like the idea of a Cosmos AI that would be secure and limited .

My recent foray into Google AI gave me a nice outline for my upcoming presenter sessions at a yoga festival in palisade co ( same weekend as your Denver conf ) .

Took me some trial and error with the AI assistant about themes and edits . A bit of a challenge with Sanskrit peace mantras and guided practices ..

But I got a nice outline finally ! I am pleased .

Sreedevi Bringi

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Johnnie! So good to hear you, here, again. And I love what you’ve written, the spirit and the word. :slight_smile:

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